One can add university professor to this list, as long as one is willing to differentiate between its two categories. The standard, run-of-the-mill prof and the catedrático. The former is a person with a doctorate in his field, but the other comes equipped with the earned right to decide the fate of future Ph.D candidates. This is a fish of a superior scale, and there is one who is regularly quoted on economic stuff in the nation's press. Introduced as catedrático de economía de la Universidad Pompeu Fabra, José García-Montalvo'regularly, despite his honours, provides misinformation concerning the equivalencies between the Spanish and U.S. housing markets to his readers (and presumably his students).
From idealista.com (translation ours):
In the U.S. the gdp per capita adjusted for the ability to purchase* is 35,000 euros, while in Spain it is 25,800 euros, 27% less. Nevertheless, the median price of homes is almost equal in both countries.
Although in the different context of why banks, builders and homeowners don't feel compelled to dump stock on the market at any price in Spain, we've dealt with all this before (here and here), so we'll merely throw up a screenshot from a Chicago real estate site (this will disappear when the place gets sold) with a bit of explanation for readers whose native language might be Spanish. In the table below the photo:
Taxes means impuestos - the IBI;Association Fees means gastos de comunidad;
To derive square metres from square feet, divide by 10.
Numbers, of course are universal. The first costs, in the case of this property, 748 dollars a year. The second, 713 dollars per month! On the basis that the comunidad for an equivalent place in Madrid is going to run about 120 euros and the taxes, say 150, we'll do some calculations.
First, we'll assume (to avoid issues of opportunity cost on different sized down payments) that the purchase of the 265,000 dollar Chicago condo is made via a 100 percent loan. At 3.5% interest over 30 years, the mortage comes out to 1,190 dollars a month. Add 64 for taxes and 713 for fees and the place costs a buyer 1,967 dollars a month before he or she ever sets foot in it.
Now we'll try it in Madrid. 13 euros a month for taxes and 120 in fees leaves us 1,834 to pay the same mortgage on a home worth a bit over 405,000 euros.
The lesson here? Multiply U.S. home prices by about one-and-a-half to arrive at actual equivalent ownership costs - then get back to us.
*Isn't he discounting purchasing power from income twice here? Sure looks like it.
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Presumably, when those fees and taxes fall all the way to zero (as they did in pre 1990 USSR) one ends up with urine and vomit in the stairwells, along with eternally broken lifts (that miraculously residents or their guests also managed to urinate and vomit in). Fortunately, the Spanish have a sense of pride and self respect, and of course communal charges seemingly have not become a profit center...yet.
Are we having fun yet?
We pay 2000 per year in Sotogrande and the place is very scruffy and unkempt and some people obviously have their sewers connected to the road drainage - you can easily tell when they are in residence! Compare that to the beautifully kept gated communities you find all across the US! Maybe their community charges are 3 or even 4 times higher, but at least you get something for your money! Is there any urbanisation in Spain that can compare favourably with Quinta do Lago in Portugal, which although in Europe, I consider to bemaintained to US standards!
Dick,
You might take note that the post was not about a substandard housing development put up in a town on the Cadiz coast whose main economic activity until a short time ago was smuggling.
I'll bet you thought the price was pretty good, though.
Charles I do not understand your calculations and comparisons. At today’s exchange rate, the 1967$ monthly expenses for the Chicago condo would buy you a 312.000€ apartment in Madrid, using your data. With an average asking prices in Madrid of around 3261€/m² ( Idealista – august 2010) this would give you 95m². An average 95 m² apartment in Madrid is not especially attractive. Is the Chicago apartment below ore above average? It certainly looks above ‘Spanish average’ housing quality. In Burgos you could get 136m² for the same price.
Hi,
You're complicating matters here.
Don't do the exchange rate. It's safer to assume that if you live in Chicago that you're being paid in US dollars. Madrid-euros.
You can get picky and do it in PPP's, but the point's going to still withstand the test.
Keep in mind also that your mortgage payments are partially inflation protected (assuming a floating rate mortgage for the interest). The principal portion, which increases with every payment, is based on a fixed value. In the American example, 40% of your monthly nut is fees - which only go up with time. In Madrid that's only 7%.
I can't solve the inappropriate comparison problem, the differences between here and there are just too immense. But I don't think the Chicago place is as luxurious is it looks on the outside. I don't think the price is high enough, built in the '60s, a few miles from downtown and they don't claim to have a doorman.
You can find 160 sq. mt. in that condition for 400,000 outside the M-30.
Cheers
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