About two and half years ago, short sellers broke through Enrique Bañuelos' million share Astroc Mediterraneo limit buy order at 45.51 euros setting off, led by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, the chorus chanting the demise of Spanish property values. We didn't buy it then, we didn't buy it in October 2008 and, knowing full well that the future serves no master (least of all this humble scribe), we feel that our take has been at least partially vindicated to date. After all, 30 months - during which a credit crisis of monumental proportions transpired worldwide - have passed since the end was announced in the British press and we have yet to see real estate prices collapse in Spain.
In this regard, a reader going by the name 'aviat72', incredulous in the face of what he thinks are improbably optimistic price decline figures for this country, asked the writer to attempt to justify the disparity between Florida, where prices have dropped by possibly 50 percent, and this country. We think that, looking only at cost-of-carry and marginal utility, we can account for the bulk of this phenomenon.
To inform the matter a little better with some hard-ish numbers, we spoke with a homeowner (our brother in-law) who lives in Madrid just beyond the M-30 and a friend, located in northern New Jersey regarding the cost-of-carry of their respective residences. Sorry for not doing Florida, but the property tax situation there plus the cost of hurricane insurance probably make the figures worse than north Jersey, anyway.
When looking at the Google spreadsheet below, the reader should keep in mind that the figures are approximations from our respondents' memories and guesses as to their properties' values.
For our thesis, the interesting figures are the cost-of-carry raw, cost-of-carry as a percentage of PPP adjusted national median incomes (real statisticians and economists will certainly find something amiss here) and the number of years of carry that a 10% price reduction covers.
The first speaks for itself, and shows why American banks dump foreclosed homes on the market - 12,150 vs. 2,420.
The second is that cost-of-carry represents 7.85% of income, in Spain, against 26.5% in the U.S.
The third, most interesting if one puts oneself in the shoes of a potential seller who is not forced to do so, is that it takes 14.5 years of carry to spend a 10% price reduction in the case of the Madrid home, and 4.1 years in New Jersey. Thought of as an option, our brother in-law would pay 2420 euros a year to bet that his apartment will be worth more in the year 2024. Our buddy in north Jersey would be paying, in the act of not dropping his price, 12,150 dollars per year to make the same punt with a late 2013 expiry. Readers should feel free to adjust for opportunity cost, and the like.
In the case of Spain, one has to filter these numbers through the, plainly ideological, component of the relative marginal utilities of money and property. One phrase - heard by ourselves regularly from the mouths of lawyers, engineers, doctors, public servants, shopowners, regular working folk, housewives and pure country farmers who have difficulty wrapping their tongues around their own native language - is:
Money isn't worth anything. It just loses its value.
...this irrespective of interest rates, rates of inflation or anything else that might impinge on its veracity is religion in this country.
Taking the position, we think with reason, that both bankers and property developers believe this with equal faith (or are certain that the market believes it), one can imagine that these two groups would tend to interpret the stagnation of the real estate business as causing a problem of liquidity, and not solvency - by cultural definition, land can be no more insolvent than can gold. The strategy of pushing everything forward in time, under these circumstances, will be seen to be less risky than others might interpret it and would explain the banks' relative comfort with taking on property in lieu of debt. We have no idea whether the strategy will work in the long run, but we wouldn't bet against it.
Aviat72 also made the very keen observation that the re-writing of builder loans might be analogous to the 'write your own mortgage' mania that took place in the heady years of the boom in the U.S. Our guess however, judging by the amount of time it takes for the negotiations to take place, is that the banks are walking away from these deals with a not entirely distasteful call option on the assets in question - at least in the event that the borrower again defaults. Same as above, we don't know if it will succeed (and there are good reasons to assume it won't even without factoring in the possibility of another global collapse), but we'd be at least marginally more inclined to take the other side of the reader's short sale than the opposite.
As an aside, the recent news that the household savings rate in Spain had risen to an astonishing and never before seen 24.3% of disposable income in the second quarter is unquestionably a harbinger of increased real estate activity at some point in the future. Spaniards hate money.
Possibly in favour of Aviat72's thesis would be the problem of the reliability of Spanish statistics, distorted as they are by the habitual unrecorded cash portion of house purchases. To give an idea of how much paper money moved around in this business, we have a friend who worked as a site supervisor for a couple of large-ish local builders near Granada. He received about 30% of his pay in untaxed banknotes. Extend this to all the employees, the illegals being paid 100% in this form, and throughout Andalucía and one might get a glimpse of how big this was. Funding it all were the cash down payments that neither appeared in the deeded purchase price nor figured in any index of prices based on land registry or notarial documents. Our suspicion is that recorded prices will be more sticky on the downside than on the up, lending a bit more credence to his contention.
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16 Comments:
No offense, but this is neither accurate nor (I would say) true. In other words, this article is just crap.
I'll be nice about it...
You have a history of taking generalized and rudely expressed umbrage at English language commentary about Spain in a number of forums, never actually specifying what it might be that bothers you.
I would frankly prefer that you didn't bother me or my readers with your drivel, but with comment moderation on I'll give you a chance to briefly let the readership of this blog know what you consider inaccurate, untruthful and thus crap in this post.
Was it:
1). That the cost of carry of a 350,000 euro home in Arturo Soria is about 2,400 euros?
2). That the cost of carry of a 500,000 dollar home in Monmouth County, NJ comes out around 12,000 dollars?
3). That Spaniards generally consider property to be a store of value superior to money itself?
Be civil or we'll send you back to El Gato al Agua.
Casas a mitad de precio en la costa del sol:
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/10/09/andalucia_malaga/1255109339.html
En Santa Margarida i Els Monjos (bcn) hay pisos de 3 habitaciones por 72000 eur - precio de 2003 aprox. A precio de Cayenne, vamos.
I'm enjoying your blog in general. It's good to here the other side of the argument, and I would like to thank you for making it with some pretty good ideas. Todays post is is an idea, and I agree it's an interesting way of looking at the situation. One example doesn't really get there, but the idea is worth investigating, and I'm glad you pointed it out... I hadn't thought of it that way.
Still I think there is one major issue... from what I can tell, ONLY income is PPP adjusted, the other numbers appear to be raw (only FX'd). The concept of PPP is a valuable one, adjusting for PPP makes income more comparable by *trying* to answer the question "how much does my income really buy in the country where I earn it?" The PPP adjustment is therefore taking into account that things in general are cheaper in Spain... i.e. a Euro goes farther then a Dollar in the states, and (more importantly) that stated exchange rate (being a market rate) does not capture the whole difference.
Consequently, if you adjust income by PPP, it would seem to me that you need to adjust ALL the numbers for PPP. I'm guessing that if you do, Spain will still come out cheaper cost of carry then Florida, but it will probably close the gap a lot.
Mickey,
As my little parentheses noted, I have my doubts, also. They were available numbers, so I used them rather than immerse myself, yet again, in the mysteries of stats databases. I'll seek professional help (perhaps from Mr. Sanchez?) In any regard, if the income figure gets lowered to a more reasonable 25,000 in Spain, it only affects the calculation '% of median income', raising it to 10%. Raising US median income to 50,000 lowers the same there to 24%. The remaining numbers, expressed in units of cost-of-carry are not affected, regardless (as far as I can see).
I'll get on it.
Thanks for your contribution.
anon 11:42,
I know that. Same story in parts of Almeria and lots of other places. Along the Cantabrico, in Sevilla city, and lots of other places they have hardly budged at all. All that goes into making a national average.
Thanks also from me for the other side of the argument. While I think you developed an interesting thought, I just wanted to give some more real number to show you how unreliable this approach is. Your brother-in-law must be a neighbour next door.
My numbers:
Home Value 260k (estimated!), Prop Tax 300, Insurance 220, Community 1,700, Repairs 1,500, Utilities 2,400.
You will see, that the resulting numbers almost match the US example. Mickey raised the PPP issue, on which I fully agree.
Furthermore, I did not check the Median Income Numbers, but deduct, that those number cannot take into consideration the unemployment rate considerably higher in Spain (+18%) to the US (near 10%, right?).
If you take those numbers into consideration, you come up with exactly the opposite result. So, my apologies, but this approach IMHO leads nowhere.
Unfortunately, I did not understand at all the call option view of the assets.
J.
Charles,
As the would-be seller of one of my houses, I certainly hope you're right that prices can hold up while demand reduces to nil. According to my agent ("Better to rent"), nothing is selling because the owners refuse to accept the huge discounts demanded by buyers who assume they're all in trouble and need to sell to get rid of an onerous mortgage or three. I guess this supports your thesis that owners (particularly in places where land has mystical properties) will avoid running numbers re alternative investment strategies and simply hold on to properties until (pent up?) demand returns. I can certainly endorse the comment that people here can take decisions which would be regarded as remarkably 'uncommercial' in the Anglo sphere.
Of course, this market research sample of one is useless but I will cling to the hope that, after 2 years of decent rental income, the price I eventually get will then be at least 20% above what I paid for it last year. Foolishly. Reason - a woman.
It will help if the euros plummets against the pound . .
Of course, I can do this because, like many/most Spaniards, I don't 'need' to liquidate my (mis)investment. And I can't count.
J,
Thanks for your comment.
You're providing figures for an occupied house, that's not pure carry - which is all that matters here.
What you have to do is lower the utility bill to the cuotas and guess on a repair bill for things that are never used. The total is going to come out higher than my example, but not by much.
I would, in fact, appreciate it if you were to do that. It would be nice to have a sample of larger than one.
--For readers not well acquainted with the matter, the community fees can vary wildly from building to building and I'll admit to the possibility that my brother in-law has no clue as to how much property tax he pays.--
Like I said above, I'll be correcting the income figures and will certainly beg forgiveness if they make a substantial difference. Also, as I said above, using PPP has no influence on the cost-of-carry figures relative to value of the home. That is what the option is - the carry is what it costs you to bet that your house will be worth the same or more at some point in the future.
Cheers
Colin,
That's the way it is right now. It won't last forever, but one look at the likes of you and you know the offer just a couple of million pesetas.
Charles,
got your point, but actually I was trying to make clear that this approach results in very volatile results depending on your input data.
Following your idea, you could reduce my Utilities Cost, but at the same time you could raise the Community by the same amount and still have a reasonable local value.
J.
J,
What are the minimum utility payments? 25 a month each? Less? More? That's 1,800 euros (?) off your total and repairs are virtually nil. That takes maybe 3,000 off your total right there.
That leaves you with 3,120 euros a year to leave your house empty. Knocking 10% of your 260,000 asking price costs 8.3 years of carry. Would you sell at that price if you didn't have to. You might (me too), but if you believed that money in the bank lost value?
The discrepancy in taxes, btw, is probably because he didn't tell me the garbage and sewer payment - and I didn't ask.
Cheers
The b in-law lives on the Carretera de Canillas.
Ackowledge your argument Charles, I think it definitely has some merit. However, are you comparing apples with apples? Is there any good reasons why your insurance, repairs, maintenance and utilities are necessarily more expensive in New Jersey than in Madrid? My conclusion from the table above might not be necessarily that houses are less expensive to maintain in Spain thus disintentivicing price discounts, but rather than your friend lives in a better house than your brother in law.
Pablo,
You've hit the nail on the head - all comparisons fail to be between apples and apples, including those that claim that Spanish price decreases should mirror the American version. The only thing they have in common is that each is what is considered to be a 'home' in their respective countries.
The two examples are the same middle class demographic, btw. This also comes accompanied by subtleties.
Thanks
Hi Charles, I like a lot your post, its a refreshing approach to our RE market. However, I have my doubts regarding the figures you provided. In Madrid, the IBI (property tax) for that house would be around EUR 2,000/year I think (0.581% of the "valor catastral"). Also, why this huge difference in maintenance? It should be more or less the same for both houses (only adjusted by PPP).
On the other hand, I believe that the banks are betting on the following: RE market is about cycles, so if I maintain (extend) my mortgage and RE-linked loans for a few years, I'll be able to liquidate my assets with little to zero losses. I don't think that they are right but who knows, they are very smart people, so maybe its me who is mistaken.
Sinus,
With all due respect, it's not 2000 euros. It just isn't. My person said 150. Commentor J said 300. That's the range we're talking about. Believe me. the difference is certainly that I didn't include garbage collection and sewers contribution in mine.
The repair difference stems from homes here being apartments - constructed of concrete and brick and exposed to the elements on one, or two (if a corner), rather than four sides plus the roof. When you leave a place empty, you shut off the water at the meter, same for the electricity. What can break with no one in the house?
Leave a place empty and unattended for five years here and your cleaning cobwebs. In north Jersey you've probably got raccoons in the attic and all manner of shingles missing and consequent water damage, etc.
Cheers
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